| I was reading the most recent episode discussions, and at least a large minority of people were talking about how they were losing interest, which is quite the opposite for me. The opening was interesting and suffices well enough as a hook, but is nowhere near the best (AOT is still probably the best at that). The show however has done a really good job in fleshing the world and characters, especially in the last 3ish episodes. Each of the kids represents something of the magic, and them somehow trying to tie back into the idea is that magic is for good and "warmth" - 1. Coco: She represents the pure, unadulterated potential of magic. However, with that comes the downside of dabbling with forbidden magic and that is because she isn't raised in magic society where the mores are instilled withiin them. 2. Tetia: I think she represents the altruistic aspect of magic; however, due to the fact magic is drawn means that it can also be erased so her altrusism last for only so long (that's why her goal of creating a spell lasting in the history books). Or maybe even the opposite extreme of Aggot where she has to struggle with derviving too much joy of magic by helping people out. 3. Aggot: The perfection of magic but it carries the societal pressures to pursue perfection (we saw that this episode quite clearly and they will expand further) 4. Richehh: IDK but probably something with stuborness of magic society and them being far too slow when things get rough. (DO NOT SPOIL ANYTHING - these are my running theories) Plus the world-building is being done with thought. Like necessity of cloaks as a way to hide spells being drawn instead of them being there because it's trope in fantasy shows. The show no doubt has flaws (magic system and instances of application and how they are shown needs to be better fleshed out), but there is no way people are getting bored. There is so much the show has to offer on top of the rich animation quality. |
_Lyborick_Yesterday, 2:04 PM
Reply to EmilCioran
In the ep 7 discussion literally nobody has said that theyre losing interest. in fact people are describing the episode as interesting lol, so i'm not sure what youre seeing...
| @EmilCioran I think I found 5 instances of where people were talking about how the show wasn't doing well in fleshing out the story. I know there is response bias built in but 5/56 = 8%ish is a decent chunk at least in my opinion. |
| I don't think people are losing interest. They starting to see flaws, as you do, sure. That doesn't mean they'll drop the Show. It's still pretty popular. |
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| Perhaps because it lacks edge, overly sanitized. |
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_Lyborick_ said: I was reading the most recent episode discussions, and at least a large minority of people were talking about how they were losing interest, which is quite the opposite for me. The opening was interesting and suffices well enough as a hook, but is nowhere near the best (AOT is still probably the best at that). The show however has done a really good job in fleshing the world and characters, especially in the last 3ish episodes. Each of the kids represents something of the magic, and them somehow trying to tie back into the idea is that magic is for good and "warmth" - 1. Coco: She represents the pure, unadulterated potential of magic. However, with that comes the downside of dabbling with forbidden magic and that is because she isn't raised in magic society where the mores are instilled withiin them. 2. Tetia: I think she represents the altruistic aspect of magic; however, due to the fact magic is drawn means that it can also be erased so her altrusism last for only so long (that's why her goal of creating a spell lasting in the history books). Or maybe even the opposite extreme of Aggot where she has to struggle with derviving too much joy of magic by helping people out. 3. Aggot: The perfection of magic but it carries the societal pressures to pursue perfection (we saw that this episode quite clearly and they will expand further) 4. Richehh: IDK but probably something with stuborness of magic society and them being far too slow when things get rough. (DO NOT SPOIL ANYTHING - these are my running theories) Plus the world-building is being done with thought. Like necessity of cloaks as a way to hide spells being drawn instead of them being there because it's trope in fantasy shows. The show no doubt has flaws (magic system and instances of application and how they are shown needs to be better fleshed out), but there is no way people are getting bored. There is so much the show has to offer on top of the rich animation quality. In the era of cell phones. Its no surprise this show cant hold peoples attention. Or any media for that matter. |
| It doesn't matter what "ideas" the characters represent, if they're just not interesting or enjoyable "people" first. As of Episode 7, I don't really care about any of the characters, beyond some surface-level interest and the coolness factor. Except maybe Richeh, because she just doesn't seem bothered by anything and is just along for the ride, which has been my own experience with the show. If the characters are simply meant to be serviceable and broad-strokes, then fine. But in that case, the ideas themselves must be interesting on their own. But, again, they're only surface-level interesting, and we've had just bits and pieces of it so far. I like the "cloak to hide the drawing" thing too, but that's only a neat little detail, not some wonderous worldbuilding that will draw people in. Yes, the anime might need more time, and maybe the full picture will look much better by the end of the season/cour. But we're past the halfway point, and there's shockingly little to get really invested in. |
| It's one of the best looking anime of the year for sure, but that doesn't make it perfect. The plot is very generic. |
| I can’t really speak for anyone outside my social circle, but generally our impression has always been that the show’s characters and setting are pretty stock standard as far as YA Fantasy goes, and more specifically didn’t find the characters all that interesting, so its novelty relative to the surrounding anime fantasy landscape and beautiful animation could only carry it so far Mind you, I’m personally still quite enjoying the show (even if I agree it’s not exactly groundbreaking or exceptional beyond its presentation), this is just the general impression from the people I’ve talked to about it |
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| there's no plot progression, micro at best |
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| it's a typical fantasy, i've never loved those to begin with. |
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| Show is a bit generic and uses overused formula. It manages to make it work, but some people will still check out. |
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| Well, of the currently nine new series I'm watching as spring seasonals - not counting the continuing/second or later seasons of older series ones, or anything I'm vaguely aware of the synopsis and outline of and intend to start but haven't gotten around to yet - but just those I actually have and can therefore more meaningfully compare, measure, and judge it against - I'd say that it's probably the best or one of the best and my second favorite after Eren the Southpaw. The premise and setting are evergreen as in classic yet always fresh, because while well-worn and traditional there's a myriad of places they can go to with them to really endlessly flesh out the world, even if that hasn't been actively demonstrated to any huge extent yet. It's only seven episodes into a one cour 13 episode season. After the season of 13 episodes ends, is that 5% of the story and what eventually will be the series in anime form? 95%? 20%? 50%? A bit difficult to judge it in the sense of what they do or don't do in this first season (or only roughly halfway through that first season, as we are at the time of authoring this post) and in terms of the vision for it as a long-term project without that context as we're operating blindly. This is the kind of series though, like many, I would definitely come to enjoy more and likely over time develop a lasting and rich appreciation for if it goes much more in the direction of being a slow burn and character journey where our main characters learn more about each other and themselves as an imperfect, impromptu, makeshift found family, as fantasy Slice of Life and adventure stories like that are some of my favorite works of fiction. The characters as it stands right now? Yeah, I agree with and would echo the sentiment expressed by many as far as them mostly being one-note and flat tropes or archetypes, generic, etc., but again, it's early days. I've noticed their incremental development even over the past limited amount of episodes. Tetia already became more developed and with greater depth shown than the always bright and cheery genki girl she started out as through her behavior and interactions in that sealed dimensional zone. A believable and convincing radical, if temporary/short-lived, change in behavior precipitated by events and conditions. But serving to demonstrate that she indeed has the capacity. Agott's backstory and reason for being the way she is is being dripfed, even if I have to admit that I'm a little psychologically exhausted with this tsundere type of ("Have to prove myself" and "No one can ever be good enough for my standards") form of character, unless it's taken in some alternative unforeseen directions in the future and layered more. The only one who's still as one note though as at the starting point is Richeh (though, if one had to be, best it be her since it's a lovable and super laid back and easygoing archetype it's some feat to muster hatred for). I have to say as well that even if the characters are like that to an extent and at present its weakest point, either because of the character writing itself or because it's so early on into the series, or a combination of both factors - when something dramatic and emotional happens involving them, the acting and scenes themselves aren't overly flat, maybe owing to the talent in the production and direction, voice acting, etc., elevating it above even writing itself. Oh, and there is no OST to note in terms of beautiful or epic music that I would desire to listen to independently outside the context of watching the series (that ED and the off the walls female singer's performance is fun though) so far, but that's honestly true of all other series airing this current season as well, with the exception of the Nippon Sangoku ED and the The Classroom of a Black Cat and a Witch OP. No in-show music has proven standout at this point. |
WatchTillTandava10 hours ago
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Well, of the currently nine new series I'm watching as spring seasonals - not counting the continuing/second or later seasons of older series ones, or anything I'm vaguely aware of the synopsis and outline of and intend to start but haven't gotten around to yet - but just those I actually have and can therefore more meaningfully compare, measure, and judge it against - I'd say that it's probably the best or one of the best and my second favorite after Eren the Southpaw.
The premise and setting are evergreen as in classic yet always fresh, because while well-worn and traditional there's a myriad of places they can go to with them to really endlessly flesh out the world, even if that hasn't been actively demonstrated to any huge extent yet. It's only seven episodes into a one cour 13 episode season. After the season of 13 episodes ends, is that 5% of the story and what eventually will be the series in anime form? 95%? 20%? 50%? A bit difficult to judge it in the sense of what they do or don't do in this first season (or only roughly halfway through that first season, as we are at the time of authoring this post) and in terms of the vision for it as a long-term project without that context as we're operating blindly.
This is the kind of series though, like many, I would definitely come to enjoy more and likely over time develop a lasting and rich appreciation for if it goes much more in the direction of being a slow burn and character journey where our main characters learn more about each other and themselves as an imperfect, impromptu, makeshift found family, as fantasy Slice of Life and adventure stories like that are some of my favorite works of fiction.
The characters as it stands right now? Yeah, I agree with and would echo the sentiment expressed by many as far as them mostly being one-note and flat tropes or archetypes, generic, etc., but again, it's early days. I've noticed their incremental development even over the past limited amount of episodes. Tetia already became more developed and with greater depth shown than the always bright and cheery genki girl she started out as through her behavior and interactions in that sealed dimensional zone. A believable and convincing radical, if temporary/short-lived, change in behavior precipitated by events and conditions. But serving to demonstrate that she indeed has the capacity.
Agott's backstory and reason for being the way she is is being dripfed, even if I have to admit that I'm a little psychologically exhausted with this tsundere type of ("Have to prove myself" and "No one can ever be good enough for my standards") form of character, unless it's taken in some alternative unforeseen directions in the future and layered more. The only one who's still as one note though as at the starting point is Richeh (though, if one had to be, best it be her since it's a lovable and super laid back and easygoing archetype it's some feat to muster hatred for).
I have to say as well that even if the characters are like that to an extent and at present its weakest point, either because of the character writing itself or because it's so early on into the series, or a combination of both factors - when something dramatic and emotional happens involving them, the acting and scenes themselves aren't overly flat, maybe owing to the talent in the production and direction, voice acting, etc., elevating it above even writing itself.
Oh, and there is no OST to note in terms of beautiful or epic music that I would desire to listen to independently outside the context of watching the series (that ED and the off the walls female singer's performance is fun though) so far, but that's honestly true of all other series airing this current season as well, with the exception of the Nippon Sangoku ED and the The Classroom of a Black Cat and a Witch OP. No in-show music has proven standout at this point.
The premise and setting are evergreen as in classic yet always fresh, because while well-worn and traditional there's a myriad of places they can go to with them to really endlessly flesh out the world, even if that hasn't been actively demonstrated to any huge extent yet. It's only seven episodes into a one cour 13 episode season. After the season of 13 episodes ends, is that 5% of the story and what eventually will be the series in anime form? 95%? 20%? 50%? A bit difficult to judge it in the sense of what they do or don't do in this first season (or only roughly halfway through that first season, as we are at the time of authoring this post) and in terms of the vision for it as a long-term project without that context as we're operating blindly.
This is the kind of series though, like many, I would definitely come to enjoy more and likely over time develop a lasting and rich appreciation for if it goes much more in the direction of being a slow burn and character journey where our main characters learn more about each other and themselves as an imperfect, impromptu, makeshift found family, as fantasy Slice of Life and adventure stories like that are some of my favorite works of fiction.
The characters as it stands right now? Yeah, I agree with and would echo the sentiment expressed by many as far as them mostly being one-note and flat tropes or archetypes, generic, etc., but again, it's early days. I've noticed their incremental development even over the past limited amount of episodes. Tetia already became more developed and with greater depth shown than the always bright and cheery genki girl she started out as through her behavior and interactions in that sealed dimensional zone. A believable and convincing radical, if temporary/short-lived, change in behavior precipitated by events and conditions. But serving to demonstrate that she indeed has the capacity.
Agott's backstory and reason for being the way she is is being dripfed, even if I have to admit that I'm a little psychologically exhausted with this tsundere type of ("Have to prove myself" and "No one can ever be good enough for my standards") form of character, unless it's taken in some alternative unforeseen directions in the future and layered more. The only one who's still as one note though as at the starting point is Richeh (though, if one had to be, best it be her since it's a lovable and super laid back and easygoing archetype it's some feat to muster hatred for).
I have to say as well that even if the characters are like that to an extent and at present its weakest point, either because of the character writing itself or because it's so early on into the series, or a combination of both factors - when something dramatic and emotional happens involving them, the acting and scenes themselves aren't overly flat, maybe owing to the talent in the production and direction, voice acting, etc., elevating it above even writing itself.
Oh, and there is no OST to note in terms of beautiful or epic music that I would desire to listen to independently outside the context of watching the series (that ED and the off the walls female singer's performance is fun though) so far, but that's honestly true of all other series airing this current season as well, with the exception of the Nippon Sangoku ED and the The Classroom of a Black Cat and a Witch OP. No in-show music has proven standout at this point.
| @WatchTillTandava Enjoyed reading your response! |
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Zarutaku said:
Perhaps because it lacks edge, overly sanitized.
Perhaps because it lacks edge, overly sanitized.
What do you mean "overly sanitized"? A show doesn't have too many dark moments for it to be interesting.
Sharknami said: What do you mean "overly sanitized"? So far the content feels very child-safe, which can quickly become boring for adult viewers. |
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Tenderthroats said: People sure do like to make excuses for a show not having any steaks The show might not have a huge amount of established steaks, but have you seen its full rib and lobster course menu? |
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